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Cheating Yourself - Foul Play in China’s Sporting Circles

Jan 31, 2012By Joel Evans, eChinacities.com  
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1Alan Pollock:

Sorry but China in know Internationally as the corruption Capital of the world in all facets of society. How can the general populous be honest, trustworthy etc. with governments leaders leading the dishonest stakes.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 07:14
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2Joseph Smith:

Allan Pollak is out of his mind - you talk about Capitals of all cheaters in this World are all English speaking countries like England and USA. Just go to the History of the World and you will be more entlighted before saying such stupid and misgaing information!!! You should be ashame of yourself as well as you mom and you father creating and buffon of so called man of knowledge like you. DO not even start to let you know about the facts and the truth!!! I do want to get you more on you so better read more before you come again and will spread more lias, and lias and lias. Regarding the age of thise Chinese girls regardless their age they were able to beat the best so does not make them less worthy of the actual victory - so viva to them and to China as well - not such a big deal as you compare more serious and liars commited by other nations were cause of major distruction in general populations, wars and death of innocent people. So Mr. Pollock be a little more humble and respectfull to other people and countries.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 15:31
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3dan:

I think Joseph is Chinese.
To be honest.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 19:31
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4Rain:

@Joseph Smith*

“DO not even start to let you know about the facts and the truth!!!”

"Facts" and "Truth" are words that can only be used ironically, subversively or sarcastically in this part of the world. As in "Ministry of Truth". Attempting to use them literally makes you sound a little crazy (as in brainwashed, zealous, etc.), which is not helped by your emphatic statements with multiple exclamation marks. Sounding reasoned and moderate would give the impression that you have considered the topic like a sensible person would. This is not how you sound.

"you so better read more before you come again and will spread more lias"

Indeed, most Western countries have a long history of cheating and exploitation.** However, you might notice that the title of this article is “Foul Play in China’s Sporting Circles” (which by the way, exists). Pointing out that someone else’s country is corrupt does not exonerate yours. Try to be a little realistic about it please.

* Did you intentionally name yourself after one of the most well-known charlatans, one of the most fraudulent and least credible people in Western history? Because if you did, hats off.

** A history which is well-documented, well-known, and which people have no trouble acknowledging. You, however, could never acknowledge something of the sort about your country. Because you, sir, are a puppet.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 21:00
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5jixiang:

It is hardly surprising that Chinese people react angrily when confronted with comments like the one by Alan Pollock. Are they supposed to be pleased? Try and see it from their point of view.

ReplyFeb 01, 2012 09:47
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6Harry Paratestecles:

Jixiang: Isn't it funny how the things that make people the most angry are the ones that are true? Instead of acknowledging the problem and resolving to improve, "Joseph" plays the victim, "if we're bad then you're worse" and "it's ok to cheat as long as you win" cards. Personally, I wouldn't want any award that I didn't win fair and square, but maybe I'm out of fashion.

Rain: You made an excellent rebuttal. It's a pity it gets wasted on people without a clue.

ReplyFeb 01, 2012 12:15
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7eyecoin:

the grammer gave it away, but he has some good points

ReplyFeb 02, 2012 09:46
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8Archie:

Congratulations Joel Evans and eChinacities for providing some real reportage of a real issue, rather than the airy fairy make-something-up-on-the-run-and-fill-it-with-personal-bullshit-anecdotes-and-weak-humour-and-try-and-pass-it-off-as-quality-writing reportage that has been witnessed on this site more recently.

I wonder if anyone has any decent suggestions on how the government can (if it was of course even willing} or society for the matter, can combat the problem of guanxi-propelled corruption in sport, and more largely in society itself.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 11:01
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9dan:

Archie

I think it will take several generations of a more mobile society. For example, Shanghai and Shenzen are more level playing fields for Chinese businessmen, because they are newer cities with a less antediluvian network.

Shanghai (as a major city) is only about 150 years old, new by Chinese standards. One of the reasons that entrepreneurialism thrived is because it was a new environment. Yes there is a network in Shanghai, but not as entrenched as other cities. Shenzhen really is a clean slate.

When everyone is more mobile, there are fewer of the 'old school tie' type networks. These networks are not as prevalent in the UK as they were 5 years ago. The same progression is possible in China.

ReplyJan 31, 2012 19:42
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10Octavian:

Props to eChina to further highlight China's inability to look at an issue without feeling defensive.

Imagine it the US, England and Israel complained as much as China does when the media (Western or Eastern) looks at their corruption, lying, failures Etc.

Chinese people have a horrendous inferiority complex and are totally unable to look at an issue and critically examine it.

Instead they clam up and get defensive.

The concept of face = societal acceptance of lying, adultery and corruption.

ReplyFeb 01, 2012 12:37
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11Archie:

"The concept of face = societal acceptance of lying, adultery and corruption."

Spot on. Love the summary. I'm stealing that.

ReplyFeb 01, 2012 15:12

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