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‘E’ is for ‘Elephant in the Room’: The Stigma of English Teaching in China

Mar 07, 2011By Mark Turner, eChinacities.com   
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1Dan:

Judging people by their occupation is global.
For the expats on the 'full package', teachers are too far down the food chain, and would be the same back home.

Because of the notorious behavior of a few expat teachers, we all get labeled. And like the author says, some of the halfpats cannot escape their own baggage.

Add to this, people make often wrong assumptions about unaccompanied males living and working in Asia.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 10:07
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2Stephen Matheson:

Judging people starts far earlier than this surely...
what do your parents do?
what school do you go to?
which suburb do you live in?
where did you go on holiday?
which university did you attend?
what degree do you have?
what is your occupation and how much do you earn...??

However there are some people who do not need to wear badges of achivement to feel good about themselves. Those people who judge, appraise or check what you do for a job before they decide to accept you are not really worth worrying about.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 10:33
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3hjt84:

"Those people who judge, appraise or check what you do for a job before they decide to accept you are not really worth worrying about."

Precisely!

ReplyMar 07, 2011 10:37
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4hjt84:

Lol good article!

I'm a teacher and so is my flatmate - he HATES telling people he is a teacher to the point where makes up stuff when he meets others because he's all too aware of the stigma. He does the classic pause....

It probably is a little different for us ladies, but based on my experiences with him, he does feel shame in admitting it. He says people automatically look down on him...but then i have to remind him that would you really want to be friends with someone who does that in the first place?

I have great friends here who are on the all expenses paid expat package who say some of their best friends are teachers, but I've also met a lot of t**ts who think they are above everybody, including the locals....but like i say, why would you want to hang around with these people?

There's also the snobbery within teaching circles....'Are you an ESL teacher or a real teacher?' I've heard on more than one occasion!!! Some educators who work in business training, the international schools or the Universities also have that way of thinking and are quick to tell anyone who will listen that they are a 'real' teacher.

I also know a lot of people who are only teachers for the visa - so they can pursue amongst other things learning Chinese (whilst being able to work legally), music and art. Shanghai is a great city for all those things with a great music scene and art community. But nobody really knows how to go about getting a visa for doing these things!

But for me the bottom line is i love my job, it seriously makes me happy, and i get paid very well for not a lot of hours and have great holidays. I'm happy to tell people i'm a teacher!

ReplyMar 07, 2011 10:36
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5Dr Gene Smith:

The problem is that the Schools pay way to low, and the want excellent teaching , the would get much btter and highly qualified teachers if they paid a correct wage . They just want to show a face from USA or UK that can speak English, this i snot a teacher

Teachers in USA must attend 4 years college and get a degree in teaching maybe the schools in China should understand that I pay and hire proper then we would have better results and the teachers would be more attnetion to the work

ReplyMar 07, 2011 11:05
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6Tommy Tucker:

To be honest Gene

As the author suggests, most teachers are just a cash cow to be milked. Certainly in the private sector. The number one concern is that the resource (teacher) is cheap, to maximise profits. This is shortsighted, but like most Chinese businesses they don't think beyond the bottom line.

With 'competitive wages' the salary will be based on what the lowest paid person is willing to accept, even though there is a shortage of teachers (good ones or bad ones)..

ReplyMar 07, 2011 12:30
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7Anonymous:

Dr. Gene Smith, I would not even hire you to teach English if I am the head of a school. Your English isn't good enough based on what you have posted.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 13:34
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8Jasmine:

absolutely right

ReplyMar 07, 2011 14:12
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9Andre:

Maybe he/she is not a teacher and is just expressing her opinion.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 19:59
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10Saxo Grammaticus:

I'm sure that you mean for the verb in protasis to be in the subjunctive: "if I were ...". Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone!

ReplyMar 11, 2011 13:08
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11Steve:

Who cares what people do for a living in China? Why can't someone be valued just because of who they are? I don't like someone just because they have money. As for Chinese women who marry rich men, they are nothing but sluts and prostitutes.

I am a foreign teacher in China and proud of my uni job!

ReplyMar 07, 2011 12:23
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12Tommy Tucker:

Hi Steve, you may have accidentally fallen into a trap.

"proud of my uni job"
Is this perhaps not elevating yourself above some non-uni teachers?

This is not a criticism, just noting that we all are capable of snobery, without realising.
Don't take this personally, I realise that I too am becoming more of a snob as I get older.

Two things that have happended to me in China. My views have become less egalitarian, and I am becoming less of a socialist.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 12:34
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13Anonymous:

Hey, women marry rich men are sluts and prostitutes? Give us a break! Check dictionary to learn what a prostitute is defined. You'd better to return to your home country to teach others about your definition of prostitute but I bet you won't be able to find a teaching job in your country.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 13:39
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14B.A.D:

Are you sure your posting in the right place? Not sure how your comments relate to the article or anyone elses views...

ReplyMar 07, 2011 13:54
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15Tommy Tucker:

Anonymous

In socialist thinking, marriage is another form of prostitution.
That is where the comment comes from. The idea has been espoused many times in many formats.
You could Google 'marriage prostitution' and get much more on the subject.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 15:16
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16fritz:

In a way i also agree woman who marry just for the comfort and money is selling her body and soul.... ill never tell a girl how much money i have as she will be attracted by only that.... LOVE is NOT for sale.

ReplyMar 18, 2011 08:21
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17Anonymous:

You have pissed off the hivemind with this comment, man. I do agree with you though; gold digging is basically just another form of prostitution. However, this hasn't even been mentioned in the topic. Why did you suddenly bring it up?

ReplyApr 01, 2011 17:42
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18Jim:

@Steve You hit the nail on the head! It seems to me that it takes on such gargantuan dimensions precisely due to the fact that after Deng's infamous exhortation, unfortunately, the only barometer most Chinese recognise is that of materialism. Thus, raising the issue of narcissistic gold-diggers is perfectly coherent within this context due to the all-pervasiveness of the phenomenon and how it links to the initial topic. For the numpties incapable of cogent thought who felt they need to question the insertion, you are an embarrassment! No wonder, ESL is deprofessionalised here (btw, some great articles on both issues at middlekingdomlife: no affiliation, just saying). You are not what you do, you are not what you own, you are what you are as a person: character or lack of it, values system, heart.

ReplyApr 06, 2012 13:40
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19B.A.D:

My experience is that schools are businesses where money means success. Having a foreign face raises the reputation of a school (provided it is a white foreign face). Parents automatically think the school must be affluent and successful if they can hire foreign teachers.

I realised this early on when I had not learnt my schedule properly and accidentally missed a few classes. No one noticed and nobody called me up on it. As a result I felt undervalued and exploited which is why I will never ever do English teaching again.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 13:03
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20hm:

ehhhr, but still aren't they/us -the english teachers - some kind of losers anyway??.. It is not what we were heading for at our unis and it's not something that we would go for in our own countries. :B)

ReplyMar 07, 2011 13:30
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21Jasmine:

Right,when i was in college,we would not notice our foreign teacher if he missed any class.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 14:27
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22David:

Elephant in the room? “Stigma” of being an English teacher? English teacher a four-letter word? Hardly!

I will try to be polite and simply say, I find the whole premise of this article ludicrous, as well as silly. Maybe it was intended this way to provoke responses such as mine.

I’ve lived and worked over four years in three major Chinese cities, to include Guangzhou, Shenzhen and now Chengdu. At NO time, in Chinese or expat circles, was I ever embarrassed to be known as an ESL teacher. To the contrary, these same people respected my job, especially the Chinese.

I’ve found foreigners, often with limited exposure to China, i.e., only Beijing or Shanghai, have strange ideas about their position, or status in China. This is akin to the same types who proudly proclaim they are a “Real teacher”, because they recently graduated from a university with an educational or English degree. They really don’t know how ignorant and/or stupid they sound, especially when they have near zero teaching, practical life, or business experiences. Chalk-it up to their age.

If the expat in Beijing is trying to impress some Chinese hottie or gold-digger, then employment as a teacher will surely NOT to do the trick. However, who cares, or wants a serious relationship with these twits? A twit-minded expat maybe?

I will agree, “You get what you pay for.” An ESL teacher can often make as much money, or more in Tier II or III cities, than Beijing or Shanghai. Why? Because a large segment of the China expat population chooses to live in these two cities permeated with Chinese rip-off English training centers. They can’t see the big forest for the trees, and know next to nothing about other Chinese cities and provinces.

IF this article is in fact truly representative of the Beijing ESL teachers thinking that they’re stigmatized, then I know I made the right decision to cross it off my list of Chinese cities to live and work over four years ago.

The bottom line is there are many expat losers in China, ESL teachers or otherwise, lacking in self-confidence or self-esteem. Misrepresentation, or pretending to be someone or something your not, is indicative of this.

Seeing elephants in bar corners is a serious condition. I would recommend they voluntarily repatriate and admit themselves to a clinical de-tox facility ASAP!

Then maybe they could return to the title and position of importance they had prior to coming to China and forever remove the terrible stigma of being an ESL teacher in China. Good riddance and Happy Trails!

LOL and ROTF.

ReplyMar 07, 2011 14:40
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23Charles:

Stigma? You must be joking. I'm an English teacher, and everyone treats me like a bitchin rock star from Mars!

ReplyMar 07, 2011 15:12
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24B.A.D:

To Charles: I wonder how long you've been doing it. If you want honest feedback try not to listen to the endless praise that is no doubt being showered upon you but look at what people value in their own lives. You will probably see that they are in fact just humouring you.
because they want something form you.

Of course you may be a special case, but I too have been told I'm the best teacher (a number of schools) has ever had, they were just AMAZED and gobsmacked at how good I was given I was so young...I've had the obligatory meals, the baijiu with the head master the whole shebang...come exam time I was told to review all the papers of students that had failed. I was politley told that all students SHOULD really pass the exams.

Given my stupid western morals I did not feel comfortable passing students that had quite obviously not been good enough to pass...needless to say following that the praise stopped as did the meals...

ReplyMar 07, 2011 15:23
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25FRED:

Amen!

ReplyMar 07, 2011 18:25
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