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The Western Influence on China: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Dec 15, 2011By Matt Poulter, eChinacities.com  
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1Wolff:

There is nothing more shameful than to be the first in one's family to embrace the most shameful expression of a foreign society. There is nothing more Western than feminism. There is nothing more feminist than female-initiated divorce.
The next-most shameful thing is to encourage someone to be the first in his or her family to embrace the most shameful expression of a foreign society.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 03:55
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2Terry:

I completely agree with you. I'm an American and I refuse to marry an American woman because they seem to change spouses as often as they change their clothes. Many times it's the woman who initiates it. I find it offensive and disgusting regardless of who initiates the divorce.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 09:37
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3billybudd:

Yea, so everyone should adhere to your positions of social structure and regulations. Everyone should obey you, and what you say goes, without thinking, without their own ideas, and without their own personal beliefs in mind. Just yours, right? But, my guess is, yours aren't even your own; you yourself are probably just spewing patriarchal, egotistical, self-centered nonsense because that is the established, albeit eroding and proven-to-be-very-socially-destructive system. You are backward-looking, and obviously care little about anyone around you. You are a imitation king with a idiot's mind, and all society suffers from your silly, self-serving whims. Dooshbag.

ReplyDec 21, 2011 16:27
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4billybudd:

By the way Terry, it is obvious that you came to China to find a submissive wife, and probably already have one. If you weren't a fat slob drooling over a computer, maybe an American woman, one with real choices in life, would want to stay with you. Just because your Chinese wife is economically dependent on you, does not mean that she cares at all for you, and does not mean that she does not want to leave you. I hope you are satisfied with that, and find it fulfilling that a woman has to be stuck with you just to stay with you. I hate to think of all the sadistic, controlling shit your wife has to go through, just so you feel secure in your masculinity, and with who you are. Just remember, ANY girl would leave YOU if it was easy for her, not just an American girl. That is why you hate women with choices.

ReplyDec 21, 2011 16:38
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5seansarto:

Crass Commercialism belongs on the ugly side...along with it's PR Agents, "Hip-Hop" Mentality

ReplyDec 15, 2011 06:44
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6george:

perfunctory article

ReplyDec 15, 2011 07:17
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7Bryan:

perfunctory comment

ReplyDec 15, 2011 15:11
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8Bryan:

I wonder what miserable guy gave me the thumbs down for my comment... hahaha

ReplyDec 15, 2011 19:49
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9Bryan:

I still wonder, "Who are you perfunctory man?" 一个 =miserable guy trolling such a site... oh yeah! Look at the chinese character classifier for ge pointing at you... perfunctory punk...

ReplyDec 16, 2011 01:33
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10Terry:

I'm from America. I visited Shenzhen in October. I felt completely at home while there. Everyone was really nice, polite, and respectful, which is also how I treated everyone. I was amazed at the number of people who could speak English. I'm now engaged to a beautiful Chinese lady and we've submitted the paperwork to get her moved to America so we can get married. We inadvertantly met while I was in Shenzhen. :)

ReplyDec 15, 2011 09:35
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11Wolff:

As a male American who has lived in Shenzhen and is engaged to a girl from Shenzhen, do you have any insight that you might like to offer us as to why Shenzhen has such a high divorce rate? What do you think the cause is?

ReplyDec 15, 2011 09:57
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12HmmHm:

That was quick..... I mean, not to intrude on your relationship affairs but i hope you're talking about october last year .

ReplyDec 15, 2011 18:21
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13姜杰:

Ha ha... Good point. Hope it was last October.

ReplyDec 17, 2011 22:01
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14Ady:

Once upon a time Chinese woman was said to be the Best Wife. But now that has changed big time.

1. Self centered. Most important is Money. If you have money they will accept u however u are.
2. Big Attitude. Mostly when praised, their attitude goes sky high leaving everything in sight far below.
3. They have men trying to court/please/seduce them at every drop of Hat. Due to this they project an impression that men need them but they really need them as much. They would also stay alone if required.
4. They simply want to copy the western culture, w/o knowing the causes & reasons behind it. (for e.g. Apple Iphone & a Copied Iphone).

With all due respect to all the women around. These are the few common things I have seen in various women in Shenzhen. No offence meant in anyway.

peace ya'll ^_^

ReplyDec 15, 2011 10:59
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15Wolff:

I don't know about other American men, but I would be willing to put up with most of those things. Even if Chinese females are (and I doubt that they all are) most of those things, they are still less likely to divorce, less likely to have slept around, and less likely to have affairs. That makes them superior to Western females in terms of marriageability.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 11:30
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16Bozo:

What would be great is an Asian looking woman, with the personality of a westener. chinese girls have no personality whatsoever. They have nothing to talk about. many of them don't even like to socalise. Ask any Chinese girl what their hobbies are, and I bet they all say sleeping...pathetic.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 12:19
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17BlackInChina:

I completely agreed! hahahah....to make the matters, they chinese gals of this era they have one of full-force that know one's dare to stop them from what they want to do....pitiful for their parents though they are the one to blame for their undiscipline!!! Money and lies is what most of the chinese gals believe in as part of life.........I rather call china as "sodomize" people of our 21st era...lol

ReplyDec 18, 2011 23:23
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18roundtown:

hehe, while there are quite a few good women here in, there are many of them bad girls out there too.Depending on which ones you meet, I think this is a very uninformed sentence .."they are still less likely to divorce, less likely to have slept around, and less likely to have affairs". I think there was a reason why they blocked Badoo

ReplyDec 22, 2011 10:04
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19the dude:

I thought this list wasn't very good. First, how can you blame the West for the current traffic jam crisis facing China today? Lower cars, plus rising incomes--plus the obession of cars--is the leading cause, not the West. That is just one example of this problem ridden article--no facts, no point, no proof for the most part. And I love how you say that once the government does something, things change. Yeah right. Do better research next time before posting.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 11:02
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20Fred:

in the long run the west will move into china, sad. china is a loving country with more kindness than any western city. i live in the US and just vacationed in china. it is different and refreshing. somethings need to catch up to western styles like toilets and hot water. over all China works and the amount of people should test to that as fact. i would hope after the fad wears down the norm will set back in. china is a great country, just under different rule that's it.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 12:26
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21Wolff:

I, too, dread China's Westernization. I have been monitoring their government's valiant efforts to resist such things as Hollywood and Facebook. I applaud them for it, but I wonder whether that's enough.
Simple-minded Asian-o-philes from the West already have South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. I wish they would allow at least one significant East Asian nation to remain uncontaminated.
Oh but I totally agree with regard to toilets and a very small number of other things.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 12:51
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22Bryan:

"china is a loving country with more kindness than any western city" LOL! You're funny!

ReplyDec 15, 2011 15:21
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23Chaching:

Loving country? More like loving you because you are too stupid to realize you're being overcharged 5 times the amount for virtually everything you buy. Sure, Chinese people love to smile when the foreigner comes by, because it means inflated profits in their pockets.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 17:13
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24Amanda R:

This article is terrible, and the comments are worse. There is no evidence in anything stated. Traffic jams are not the result of Western influence. Not obeying traffic laws is the result of traffic jams, which is completely non-western. We enforce our traffic laws in the west because we fear being prosecuted and we love our neighbors. The Chinese have no respect for the possible loss of life of other people when they don't obey traffic laws. And this is just one example of this stuipidly written article. I could point by point rip it apart. Even catagorizing each of these things as "good band and ugly western influence" is flat out racist.

As for the sexist trolls posting responses, female initiated divorce is a sign of progress in a country. No longer are women subjugated to the abuses of the husbands, but are equals who have the strength and freedom to say "no" to abuse. It is disgusting men like you who give Western men a band name. You are not good enough for a Western woman to put up with you so you come to China to find a woman you can suppress, control, and will kowtow to your every whim. I pity your wives and any daughters you may have. You know why the divirce rate is higher in Shenzhen? Because it is a modernizing city and the women know that men like you are dangerous for the health and well-being.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 12:57
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25Wolff:

Men would probably be open to feminism, but American feminists have unfortunately convinced most men that their movement promotes the destruction of families, traditions, and entire societies. As long as the Chinese government prefers that everyone remain loyal to their families, the reputation feminists have of obliterating families will prevent them from ever being embraced here.
The PRC has no interest in becoming Japan or the USA. The USA especially advertises to the whole world that feminism promotes the destruction of families through divorce. If you want a feminized China, go to Japan, or to Taiwan (I hope that Taiwan someday submits freely to China); or to South Korea, or especially to Southern California. But, please, please, leave the PRC alone. Let at least one nation in the Far East hold on to its traditions, to its families, to its collectivism -- to its authenticity.

ReplyDec 15, 2011 13:38
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